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fzrbrandon
post May 11 2011, 07:41 PM
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Hey guys,

Just hoping to get some second opinions on these timing marks before I button the 600 back up. I seem to recall the marks being pretty much dead-on when pulling the cams on the 400 so I thought this was a little odd. I had some forsight and marked the chain and sprockets with a Sharpie before pulling them so I'm 99.99% sure the cams are in the same positions relative to eachother. Also, I managed to pull the flywheel off (with the help of a buddy) to check for an offset Woodruff key and the key is in fact stock. This is with the tensioner tightened down as well. Anyway, let me know what you all think if you have a moment.

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post May 11 2011, 08:47 PM
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Have you tried turning it a few times to see if it goes back to the right spot?


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post May 11 2011, 09:58 PM
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Yeah, I've turned a bunch of times mainly just to double-check my clearances. It is what it is I suppose. My gut tells me it'll be fine since moving either of the cams by one tooth will result in the marks being farther off than they are now. I'm in the middle of putting everything back together so here's to hoping for the best. biggrin.gif

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post May 12 2011, 03:45 AM
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Brandon,

You do sweat the small stuff. biggrin.gif Put it together. That is closer than the YZF engine that I put together. Sorry, no pictures. I used the same reasoning - any other position just put it further off the mark. I put the cams in a couple different times and then decided that the marks were in the right neighborhood.

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post May 12 2011, 07:36 AM
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In an effort to make you second guess yourself even more, I'm pretty sure my alignment marks lined up perfectly when I swapped the head on my motor.

Although, as you've said, I'm sure it's fine. You'll find out one way or another soon enough! tongue.gif


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post May 12 2011, 08:40 AM
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QUOTE (rotortech @ May 12 2011, 02:45 AM) *
Brandon,

You do sweat the small stuff. biggrin.gif Put it together. That is closer than the YZF engine that I put together. Sorry, no pictures. I used the same reasoning - any other position just put it further off the mark. I put the cams in a couple different times and then decided that the marks were in the right neighborhood.

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QUOTE (Engineerrol @ May 12 2011, 06:36 AM) *
In an effort to make you second guess yourself even more, I'm pretty sure my alignment marks lined up perfectly when I swapped the head on my motor.

Although, as you've said, I'm sure it's fine. You'll find out one way or another soon enough! tongue.gif

LOL! Well, all I have left to do is put water back in and get the carbs on (cleaned them again) so I'm think I'm past the point where it would NOT be too much trouble to pull them and try again. After thinking about it, I realized that slight wear in the sprockets could probably contribute to the marks not being exactly on. I know my 400 motor had a little over 1/3 the mileage on it so that could explain the better mark alignment.

We'll see what happens when I fire her up! biggrin.gif

Thanks for your input guys!

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post May 12 2011, 02:13 PM
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In an effort to make you second guess yourself even more, I'm pretty sure my alignment marks lined up perfectly when I swapped the head on my motor


That's interesting you say that Errol, because that's the head off my old motor and when I adjusted the valve clearances I couldn't get the cam cap timing to line up exactly either: one was dead on (I think it was the exhaust side), and the other was just slightly off (less than 1 tooth).

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I ended up running it that way and it ran fine, until I had to swap out the motor due to the dreaded 2nd gear failure. sad.gif


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post May 12 2011, 06:05 PM
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Hmm... That's interesting Cychotic. Perhaps a different amount of wear on the crank sprocket could contribute to different alignments (since only the head was swapped to Errol's bike)? Also, the chain will wear a bit as well I suppose.

Anyway, if your bike ran fine with that alignment, mine will probably be fine.


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post May 12 2011, 06:59 PM
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brandon, while i dont doubt your bike is perfectly fine. i would have turned it over before i installed the carbs and what not........... just in case someting is wrong with the timing, you know just to conferm before all the parts go back on


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post May 12 2011, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE (apsolus @ May 12 2011, 05:59 PM) *
brandon, while i dont doubt your bike is perfectly fine. i would have turned it over before i installed the carbs and what not........... just in case someting is wrong with the timing, you know just to conferm before all the parts go back on

Believe me, I turned the crank probably 20 complete revolutions while double-checking the valve lash. Nothing out of the ordinary. Besides, I think the cams would be farther away from the marks if there was an offset key installed so I'm sure it'll be fine.


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Current:

'92 FZR600 - white, red, and black, FZR400 3EN2 Deltabox swingarm, Micron exhaust, DJ Stage 1 jets & needles, FP needle jets, K&N filter w/ airbox, '06 - '07 R6 shock, RT springs & emulators, R6 front master cylinder, Galfer SS brake lines, YZF blue dot front calipers, Vortex / RK 520 conversion, YZF/R6 VR/R, Bridgestone BT-014s, Vortex swingarm spools, Zero Gravity windscreen

'90 FZR400 - Yamaha blue - D&D exhaust, Sharkskinz race body, DJ Stage 1 jets & needles, FP needle jets, FP shift kit, EBC clutch springs, Ohlins shock w/ Hyperco spring, RT springs & emulators, JEM Machine fork preload adjusters, RR adjustable dogbones, MK fork brace, Woodcraft clip-ons & rear sets, Galfer SS brake lines, Vortex / RK 520 conversion, YZF/R6 VR/R, Bridgestone BT-014s, Vortex swingarm spools, Zero Gravity windscreen

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Mine looked identical to yours brendan when i swapped the head a few months mack. had the help of a mechanic friend who said they almost never line up properly after theyve done as many miles as mine had (30k at the time i think). moving a tooth either way made it more out of line like yours, but he said as long as theyre both out on the same side and everything turns over smoothly then it shouldnt be a problem...


And in my case he was right, engine ran beautifully biggrin.gif


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post May 13 2011, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (Batman Panda @ May 13 2011, 03:04 PM) *
Mine looked identical to yours brendan when i swapped the head a few months mack. had the help of a mechanic friend who said they almost never line up properly after theyve done as many miles as mine had (30k at the time i think). moving a tooth either way made it more out of line like yours, but he said as long as theyre both out on the same side and everything turns over smoothly then it shouldnt be a problem...


And in my case he was right, engine ran beautifully biggrin.gif

Cool. That's what I'm hoping for. I'll probably try starting her up tomorrow.


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Current:

'92 FZR600 - white, red, and black, FZR400 3EN2 Deltabox swingarm, Micron exhaust, DJ Stage 1 jets & needles, FP needle jets, K&N filter w/ airbox, '06 - '07 R6 shock, RT springs & emulators, R6 front master cylinder, Galfer SS brake lines, YZF blue dot front calipers, Vortex / RK 520 conversion, YZF/R6 VR/R, Bridgestone BT-014s, Vortex swingarm spools, Zero Gravity windscreen

'90 FZR400 - Yamaha blue - D&D exhaust, Sharkskinz race body, DJ Stage 1 jets & needles, FP needle jets, FP shift kit, EBC clutch springs, Ohlins shock w/ Hyperco spring, RT springs & emulators, JEM Machine fork preload adjusters, RR adjustable dogbones, MK fork brace, Woodcraft clip-ons & rear sets, Galfer SS brake lines, Vortex / RK 520 conversion, YZF/R6 VR/R, Bridgestone BT-014s, Vortex swingarm spools, Zero Gravity windscreen

Future hybrid - Current inventory: '90 FZR400 frame, FZR400 3TJ Deltabox swingarm & wheel, YZF600 forks & wheel, '05 YZF600 motor, Penske shock, FZR600 3HE dual-lamp upper & lower bodywork, YZF600 tank, 1st Gen. R6 tail

Past:

'89 FZR600 - white, red, and blue, V&H SS exhaust, DJ jet kit, Zero Gravity windscreen
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